*WATCHMEN SPOILERS BELOW*
I saw Watchmen the other, and as I walked out of the theater, I heard my fellow moviegoers complaining about how terrible the movie was. It was long, boring, all over the place, and so many other terrible things. But they all failed to see what an ingenious film they had just seen. Granted, the movie did jump around, but it wasn’t difficult to follow. I never once found myself bored even when everyone around me rolled their eyes. Of course, I could have gone without all of the crotch-shots, but they were easily avoidable if I just didn’t look at them. Personally, I think it is ridiculous to let something like that distract you. It’s like I said tonight, “you have to look past the dicks.” And it’s true. That is beside the point though. What I’m getting at is this: It takes a different kind to appreciate a story like Watchmen.
The world we live in today is a very interesting one. I hear all the time from a teacher of mine that our generation just doesn’t care. We don’t think about things. We don’t act on the “injustices” done to us. This is absolutely true. We’re all too busy being caught up in the superficialities of our lives. But then again, why aren’t we entitled to those things? If that is how we choose to live our lives, let us live them that way. We’re still young, and so we should be allowed to be young. When we are older, we’ll deal with the problems as they come. But, even in our youth, it does not mean that our generation should not be thinking about every single thing we see. Sadly, I don’t see (or hear) enough of it. That is the problem that I think leads people to write off Watchmen as a bad movie. You can’t go in there expecting to be mindlessly entertained. You have to think about what its telling you. People need to think.
Oh, and if you haven’t seen the movie, I guess here is where the spoilers start. Anyways, at the end of the movie Adrian Veidt reveals that he was behind the events of the whole movie. His goal was to save the human race from itself, one that many would call noble. Although, considering the fact that he killed millions of people to achieve it, he loses some of the shine he would otherwise hold. Where one person once could see a hero, they see a villain. But that is where most people cease thinking. They leave it at that; Veidt was a villain who killed millions. Dr. Manhattan was weak for being exploited, and the Nite Owl and Silk Specter were fools for keeping the secret. Rorschach is the only one who comes off noble for attempting to reveal the truth. But then what happened at the end? Was there not peace; and by peace I mean true peace. Yes, it would only hold as long as the “threat of Dr. Manhattan” loomed over it, but that could be forever. This of course leads to the moral discussion of whether its right to kill all of those people to achieve this goal. This is the main point of this note.
Is what Veidt did wrong? Is one life, ten lives, millions of lives worth the rest of the worlds? In the movie, the outcome of the cold war would have ended in a nuclear holocaust where even more would have died. So that’s the question then; is it okay to sacrifice some for the “greater good”? I know most people would really think it’s wrong. “There is always another solution!” they would say. Kind words in a cruel world. Regrettably, sometimes there isn’t always another way.
Does it make me a monster for agreeing with Veidt?
I don’t condone the monstrous massive murder he committed, I think it’s disgusting that anyone can go through with something like that, but can you not see the twisted elegance of his solution? The way that through all the death and destruction, peace shone through. It worked without a flaw. I don’t think it would be right to choose the people who were to die, but someone had to, right? Even as I write this, I feel horrible about how no part of me feels bad about thinking what I do, but then again there’s a difference between Veidt and myself. While I may think it’s the best solution, I could never go through with it. I couldn’t hold so many lives in my hands even if the fate of the world rested on it. Thankfully it’s just a comic book though. But don’t think it couldn’t happen today, or tomorrow even; in real life I mean. The idea may sound horrible, but I don’t doubt that it’s been done before (on a smaller scale) and that it won’t happen in the future.
Though, for those of you who disagree, do you not think that the people who died in the movie would have chosen to live if they knew doing so would doom the world? No, they would be happy their lives were sacrificed to make peace. You see, an individual usually makes such a little impact. One life, no matter what anyone says or thinks has no greater effect on the history of everything. The universe keeps spinning despite what any of us could do. Even amongst the living the individual finds it difficult to make an impact. For example, even if I were to die tonight, nothing would change. Yes, the lives of my friends and family would be rocked, shattered even, but people would live their lives after. Yet, with these sacrifices, the individuals who died did make an impact. Because of their loss, life kept on going. Yes, there could have been a million different outcomes, but that’s not the point. That reality is the one we’re supposed to see. It’s supposed to make us think about what’s wrong and right.
I know it is hard for most people to admit to agreeing with something like this. I even know many people completely disagree; every life is sacred. That’s exactly what I’ve been saying though. It would be selfish to cling to life knowing it would kill everyone else. So, even though the choice was never theirs, their lives were more sacred than anyone else’s because they saved the world.
I’m sure I rambled a lot, but here’s a little summary: Is it wrong to sacrifice some for others? While I never personally could, I find myself saying “no” when faced with no other option. Of course, if there is a way to save everyone, I would in an instant. Sometimes that’s not the reality though.
So in the end, Watchmen proved to be a magnificent film which I would recommend to anyone who enjoys thinking. Personally, I’m going to be picking up the graphic novel as soon as I can so I can get an even more in depth experience. Also, I wish more movies were like Watchmen in the way you have to think. I really think it would encourage the youth of America to be more thoughtful and worldly; something we’re in dire need of.
-Omega

I agree with you Omega, Watchmen was incredible….However, I did read the comic and am an avid comic book/movie fan. The plot was, just as you said, ingenious and not hard to follow. I loved it, it was more of a guy’s nerd-out session than a movie for everyone though….
On your ethical discussion over the morality of sacrificing for peace, I disagree in part, because I think that the plan of Veidt was a valid way to achieve peace. No, I am not suggesting blowing up all the major cities in U.S. and Russia, but I am saying that the cruel yet efficient Veidt did accomplish his mission……with a price of course….
oh yeah, that was pretty much what i was saying. I said I agree and think it worked and was beautiful in a twisted way but that I personally could never make the same choice. It just makes Veidt a stronger than I am
“You can’t go in there expecting to be mindlessly entertained. You have to think about what its telling you. People need to think.”
Regarding Watchmen, there couldn’t possibly be a more correct statement about the comic and movie. Truthfully, the movie was more fan service than anything, but Watchmen can only be appreciated on a literary level. Watchmen raises many moral questions, makes you think and was a complete opposite of comics, which is why it is so highly thought of.
Watchmen poses this main question: What if heroes were real people? Unlike a typical super hero with some bad childhood and a big sense of justice, the vigilantes of Watchmen didn’t have super powers, and weren’t some noble miracle makers. They are shown to be messed up to the highest degree; some could even say that their psychological problems were as horrid as a serial killer’s. Instead of bringing justice to the world after Veidt’s squid attack, they all agree to stay quiet (save for Rorschach. They think: “Well, the act has been done, so why ruin the newly made peace by spilling the beans?” The in depth and elaborate characters are what make Watchmen so extraordinary.
As for my stand point on Veidt’s massacre, and sacrificing for the greater good, I’m all for it. Except one thing: it can’t include me! However selfish it makes me, there is no way I would sacrifice my life to bring peace. I’d have no problem condemning thousands to death for peace, but I’d never think of letting myself die. Survival of the fittest, Darwin would say.
This is really interesting. I was just talking to someone that told me the movie was horrible, but I think I will go see it for myself.
The idea you brought up on ethics reminded me of Machiavelli “the ends justify the means”. ahahah ap euro….
You won’t like the movie if you’re too stupid to understand the plot, aren’t a comic fan whatsoever, or hate dark movies, Carolina123green.
I’m pretty sure all of the people on this website are fairly intelligent, so no worries on carolina123green being stupid :p
I wasn’t suggesting that she’s stupid! Gah! I always give other options!
Yeah I know. I’m just joking around with ya
i thought it was good, it just wasn’t AMAZING. I’d say it is about equal to Iron Man, but not up there with the most recent Batman.
I think I’ll have to disagree with people being willing enough to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.. I’m personally terrified to die and it’s selfish but, I want to live even if it means nuclear war. That’s what I think was why Adrian took matters into his own hands because he realized the politicians couldn’t or wouldn’t try to make peace because they were stuck on the path to destruction. Because they’re in the public light and would be held accountable they couldn’t just stop threatening each other for fear of losing their own power and influence as politicians and a country. This is major political statement on the film’s part.
(Night Owl was a DWEEEEBB)
Batman sucked. The only good role in the movie was the joker. Otherwise if you take him out of the picture the movie was a boring repeat of the 1989 Batman.
Also Jack Nicklaus did a better job.
To actually adress the topic consider:
There are 1000 people, if you kill ten of them the rest will survive. If you don’t do anything the ten kill all the others.
Most of you are saying that sacrificing for the greater good is the right thing to do but you are thinking in too short of terms. If you kill the ten then the 990 live for 60 more years and then die of cancer old age etc. Of course you die as well.
Or 990 are killed by the ten, the ten live 60 years or so and die of old age etc.. An of course you die as well.
In both scenarios everyone dies. The only quantitative difference is the murderers. Do you want to be the one judged by God, or the ten?
Note: the scenario applies only to killing the ten before they act(preemptively). Killing them after they already kill some victims is another story.
meh, that’s assuming you think God will judge you poorly. I think that by offering more people the opportunity to live you’ve done better (especially when you stop ten would be murderers). Any just God I would know wouldn’t judge me poorly for doing that. Yes, there’d probably be some kind of repreocussions, but like I said I could never do it. But this could quickly turn into a religious debate which is not my intent.
So the ethics section is not for ethics, got it.
lol no thats not what i meant xD
Religious debates can get messey and offensive and I don’t want anyone to get offended.
Religion is a major part of ethics. And if you don’t want to offend people then you don’t speak. If you like speaking then you should get used to offending people.Simple as that, some people have retarded sensibilities that doesn’t mean you have to cater to their every whim. Religion more properly Theology is the single most important subject to the human race regardless of your opinion on it, and risk of offense is not superior to the potential gain.
anyway now that Ive ranted a bit, Ive said all I wanted to about the watchmen problem so I wasn’t planning on elaborating in this first place.
But some advice, get over the not offending people thing(as long as the offense it not the goal of course, if all you’re trying to do is offend someone that’s different), it impedes the human intellect.
meh, i guess its mostly because I don’t want to kill the site or drive people away when its so young, but it does dull my edge. I have no problems discussing religion and trust me, I usually couldn’t care about offending other people (though i do it in a tactful way if possible).
Though, if you ever do feel like elaborating, you’ve convinced me to not worry about offending people.
Hats off to you :p
I’d prefer if you didn’t go there. And thank you for pointing out the sensitivity Omega. If you’d like, worlddominator, you can discuss it off the website. But this site isn’t meant for huge religious debates. Sorry.
Lol censorship. More like “Scott Buscemi’s Youth Voice and Nobody Else’s”.
Write an article about religion, and talk about it their. Not in Watchmen! The only god in the Watchmen zone is Dr. Manhattan.
lol i believe there are plenty of people on this site who have been voicing their youth voice. i haven’t even written an article.